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						No. 38 The Same Subject Continued, 
						and the Incoherence of the Objections to the New Plan 
						Exposed
 From the New York Packet. Tuesday, January 15, 1788.
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				| Author: James Madison 
 To the People of the State of New York:
 
 IT IS not a little remarkable that in every case reported by 
				ancient history, in which government has been established with 
				deliberation and consent, the task of framing it has not been 
				committed to an assembly of men, but has been performed by some 
				individual citizen of preeminent wisdom and approved integrity.
 
 Minos, we learn, was the primitive founder of the government of 
				Crete, as Zaleucus was of that of the Locrians. Theseus first, 
				and after him Draco and Solon, instituted the government of 
				Athens. Lycurgus was the lawgiver of Sparta. The foundation of 
				the original government of Rome was laid by Romulus, and the 
				work completed by two of his elective successors, Numa and 
				Tullius Hostilius. On the abolition of royalty the consular 
				administration was substituted by Brutus, who stepped forward 
				with a project for such a reform, which, he alleged, had been 
				prepared by Tullius Hostilius, and to which his address obtained 
				the assent and ratification of the senate and people. This 
				remark is applicable to confederate governments also. 
				Amphictyon, we are told, was the author of that which bore his 
				name. The Achaean league received its first birth from Achaeus, 
				and its second from Aratus.
 
 What degree of agency these reputed lawgivers might have in 
				their respective establishments, or how far they might be 
				clothed with the legitimate authority of the people, cannot in 
				every instance be ascertained. In some, however, the proceeding 
				was strictly regular. Draco appears to have been intrusted by 
				the people of Athens with indefinite powers to reform its 
				government and laws. And Solon, according to Plutarch, was in a 
				manner compelled, by the universal suffrage of his 
				fellow-citizens, to take upon him the sole and absolute power of 
				new-modeling the constitution. The proceedings under Lycurgus 
				were less regular; but as far as the advocates for a regular 
				reform could prevail, they all turned their eyes towards the 
				single efforts of that celebrated patriot and sage, instead of 
				seeking to bring about a revolution by the intervention of a 
				deliberative body of citizens.
 
 Whence could it have proceeded, that a people, jealous as the 
				Greeks were of their liberty, should so far abandon the rules of 
				caution as to place their destiny in the hands of a single 
				citizen? Whence could it have proceeded, that the Athenians, a 
				people who would not suffer an army to be commanded by fewer 
				than ten generals, and who required no other proof of danger to 
				their liberties than the illustrious merit of a fellow-citizen, 
				should consider one illustrious citizen as a more eligible 
				depositary of the fortunes of themselves and their posterity, 
				than a select body of citizens, from whose common deliberations 
				more wisdom, as well as more safety, might have been expected? 
				These questions cannot be fully answered, without supposing that 
				the fears of discord and disunion among a number of counsellors 
				exceeded the apprehension of treachery or incapacity in a single 
				individual. History informs us, likewise, of the difficulties 
				with which these celebrated reformers had to contend, as well as 
				the expedients which they were obliged to employ in order to 
				carry their reforms into effect. Solon, who seems to have 
				indulged a more temporizing policy, confessed that he had not 
				given to his countrymen the government best suited to their 
				happiness, but most tolerable to their prejudices. And Lycurgus, 
				more true to his object, was under the necessity of mixing a 
				portion of violence with the authority of superstition, and of 
				securing his final success by a voluntary renunciation, first of 
				his country, and then of his life. If these lessons teach us, on 
				one hand, to admire the improvement made by America on the 
				ancient mode of preparing and establishing regular plans of 
				government, they serve not less, on the other, to admonish us of 
				the hazards and difficulties incident to such experiments, and 
				of the great imprudence of unnecessarily multiplying them.
 
 Is it an unreasonable conjecture, that the errors which may be 
				contained in the plan of the convention are such as have 
				resulted rather from the defect of antecedent experience on this 
				complicated and difficult subject, than from a want of accuracy 
				or care in the investigation of it; and, consequently such as 
				will not be ascertained until an actual trial shall have pointed 
				them out? This conjecture is rendered probable, not only by many 
				considerations of a general nature, but by the particular case 
				of the Articles of Confederation. It is observable that among 
				the numerous objections and amendments suggested by the several 
				States, when these articles were submitted for their 
				ratification, not one is found which alludes to the great and 
				radical error which on actual trial has discovered itself. And 
				if we except the observations which New Jersey was led to make, 
				rather by her local situation, than by her peculiar foresight, 
				it may be questioned whether a single suggestion was of 
				sufficient moment to justify a revision of the system. There is 
				abundant reason, nevertheless, to suppose that immaterial as 
				these objections were, they would have been adhered to with a 
				very dangerous inflexibility, in some States, had not a zeal for 
				their opinions and supposed interests been stifled by the more 
				powerful sentiment of selfpreservation. One State, we may 
				remember, persisted for several years in refusing her 
				concurrence, although the enemy remained the whole period at our 
				gates, or rather in the very bowels of our country. Nor was her 
				pliancy in the end effected by a less motive, than the fear of 
				being chargeable with protracting the public calamities, and 
				endangering the event of the contest. Every candid reader will 
				make the proper reflections on these important facts.
 
 A patient who finds his disorder daily growing worse, and that 
				an efficacious remedy can no longer be delayed without extreme 
				danger, after coolly revolving his situation, and the characters 
				of different physicians, selects and calls in such of them as he 
				judges most capable of administering relief, and best entitled 
				to his confidence. The physicians attend; the case of the 
				patient is carefully examined; a consultation is held; they are 
				unanimously agreed that the symptoms are critical, but that the 
				case, with proper and timely relief, is so far from being 
				desperate, that it may be made to issue in an improvement of his 
				constitution. They are equally unanimous in prescribing the 
				remedy, by which this happy effect is to be produced. The 
				prescription is no sooner made known, however, than a number of 
				persons interpose, and, without denying the reality or danger of 
				the disorder, assure the patient that the prescription will be 
				poison to his constitution, and forbid him, under pain of 
				certain death, to make use of it. Might not the patient 
				reasonably demand, before he ventured to follow this advice, 
				that the authors of it should at least agree among themselves on 
				some other remedy to be substituted? And if he found them 
				differing as much from one another as from his first 
				counsellors, would he not act prudently in trying the experiment 
				unanimously recommended by the latter, rather than be hearkening 
				to those who could neither deny the necessity of a speedy 
				remedy, nor agree in proposing one?
 
 Such a patient and in such a situation is America at this 
				moment. She has been sensible of her malady. She has obtained a 
				regular and unanimous advice from men of her own deliberate 
				choice. And she is warned by others against following this 
				advice under pain of the most fatal consequences. Do the 
				monitors deny the reality of her danger? No. Do they deny the 
				necessity of some speedy and powerful remedy? No. Are they 
				agreed, are any two of them agreed, in their objections to the 
				remedy proposed, or in the proper one to be substituted? Let 
				them speak for themselves. This one tells us that the proposed 
				Constitution ought to be rejected, because it is not a 
				confederation of the States, but a government over individuals. 
				Another admits that it ought to be a government over individuals 
				to a certain extent, but by no means to the extent proposed. A 
				third does not object to the government over individuals, or to 
				the extent proposed, but to the want of a bill of rights. A 
				fourth concurs in the absolute necessity of a bill of rights, 
				but contends that it ought to be declaratory, not of the 
				personal rights of individuals, but of the rights reserved to 
				the States in their political capacity. A fifth is of opinion 
				that a bill of rights of any sort would be superfluous and 
				misplaced, and that the plan would be unexceptionable but for 
				the fatal power of regulating the times and places of election. 
				An objector in a large State exclaims loudly against the 
				unreasonable equality of representation in the Senate. An 
				objector in a small State is equally loud against the dangerous 
				inequality in the House of Representatives. From this quarter, 
				we are alarmed with the amazing expense, from the number of 
				persons who are to administer the new government. From another 
				quarter, and sometimes from the same quarter, on another 
				occasion, the cry is that the Congress will be but a shadow of a 
				representation, and that the government would be far less 
				objectionable if the number and the expense were doubled. A 
				patriot in a State that does not import or export, discerns 
				insuperable objections against the power of direct taxation. The 
				patriotic adversary in a State of great exports and imports, is 
				not less dissatisfied that the whole burden of taxes may be 
				thrown on consumption. This politician discovers in the 
				Constitution a direct and irresistible tendency to monarchy; 
				that is equally sure it will end in aristocracy. Another is 
				puzzled to say which of these shapes it will ultimately assume, 
				but sees clearly it must be one or other of them; whilst a 
				fourth is not wanting, who with no less confidence affirms that 
				the Constitution is so far from having a bias towards either of 
				these dangers, that the weight on that side will not be 
				sufficient to keep it upright and firm against its opposite 
				propensities. With another class of adversaries to the 
				Constitution the language is that the legislative, executive, 
				and judiciary departments are intermixed in such a manner as to 
				contradict all the ideas of regular government and all the 
				requisite precautions in favor of liberty. Whilst this objection 
				circulates in vague and general expressions, there are but a few 
				who lend their sanction to it. Let each one come forward with 
				his particular explanation, and scarce any two are exactly 
				agreed upon the subject. In the eyes of one the junction of the 
				Senate with the President in the responsible function of 
				appointing to offices, instead of vesting this executive power 
				in the Executive alone, is the vicious part of the organization. 
				To another, the exclusion of the House of Representatives, whose 
				numbers alone could be a due security against corruption and 
				partiality in the exercise of such a power, is equally 
				obnoxious. With another, the admission of the President into any 
				share of a power which ever must be a dangerous engine in the 
				hands of the executive magistrate, is an unpardonable violation 
				of the maxims of republican jealousy. No part of the 
				arrangement, according to some, is more inadmissible than the 
				trial of impeachments by the Senate, which is alternately a 
				member both of the legislative and executive departments, when 
				this power so evidently belonged to the judiciary department. 
				``We concur fully,'' reply others, ``in the objection to this 
				part of the plan, but we can never agree that a reference of 
				impeachments to the judiciary authority would be an amendment of 
				the error. Our principal dislike to the organization arises from 
				the extensive powers already lodged in that department.'' Even 
				among the zealous patrons of a council of state the most 
				irreconcilable variance is discovered concerning the mode in 
				which it ought to be constituted. The demand of one gentleman 
				is, that the council should consist of a small number to be 
				appointed by the most numerous branch of the legislature. 
				Another would prefer a larger number, and considers it as a 
				fundamental condition that the appointment should be made by the 
				President himself.
 
 As it can give no umbrage to the writers against the plan of the 
				federal Constitution, let us suppose, that as they are the most 
				zealous, so they are also the most sagacious, of those who think 
				the late convention were unequal to the task assigned them, and 
				that a wiser and better plan might and ought to be substituted. 
				Let us further suppose that their country should concur, both in 
				this favorable opinion of their merits, and in their unfavorable 
				opinion of the convention; and should accordingly proceed to 
				form them into a second convention, with full powers, and for 
				the express purpose of revising and remoulding the work of the 
				first. Were the experiment to be seriously made, though it 
				required some effort to view it seriously even in fiction, I 
				leave it to be decided by the sample of opinions just exhibited, 
				whether, with all their enmity to their predecessors, they 
				would, in any one point, depart so widely from their example, as 
				in the discord and ferment that would mark their own 
				deliberations; and whether the Constitution, now before the 
				public, would not stand as fair a chance for immortality, as 
				Lycurgus gave to that of Sparta, by making its change to depend 
				on his own return from exile and death, if it were to be 
				immediately adopted, and were to continue in force, not until a 
				BETTER, but until ANOTHER should be agreed upon by this new 
				assembly of lawgivers.
 
 It is a matter both of wonder and regret, that those who raise 
				so many objections against the new Constitution should never 
				call to mind the defects of that which is to be exchanged for 
				it. It is not necessary that the former should be perfect; it is 
				sufficient that the latter is more imperfect. No man would 
				refuse to give brass for silver or gold, because the latter had 
				some alloy in it. No man would refuse to quit a shattered and 
				tottering habitation for a firm and commodious building, because 
				the latter had not a porch to it, or because some of the rooms 
				might be a little larger or smaller, or the ceilings a little 
				higher or lower than his fancy would have planned them. But 
				waiving illustrations of this sort, is it not manifest that most 
				of the capital objections urged against the new system lie with 
				tenfold weight against the existing Confederation? Is an 
				indefinite power to raise money dangerous in the hands of the 
				federal government? The present Congress can make requisitions 
				to any amount they please, and the States are constitutionally 
				bound to furnish them; they can emit bills of credit as long as 
				they will pay for the paper; they can borrow, both abroad and at 
				home, as long as a shilling will be lent. Is an indefinite power 
				to raise troops dangerous? The Confederation gives to Congress 
				that power also; and they have already begun to make use of it. 
				Is it improper and unsafe to intermix the different powers of 
				government in the same body of men? Congress, a single body of 
				men, are the sole depositary of all the federal powers. Is it 
				particularly dangerous to give the keys of the treasury, and the 
				command of the army, into the same hands? The Confederation 
				places them both in the hands of Congress. Is a bill of rights 
				essential to liberty? The Confederation has no bill of rights. 
				Is it an objection against the new Constitution, that it 
				empowers the Senate, with the concurrence of the Executive, to 
				make treaties which are to be the laws of the land? The existing 
				Congress, without any such control, can make treaties which they 
				themselves have declared, and most of the States have 
				recognized, to be the supreme law of the land. Is the 
				importation of slaves permitted by the new Constitution for 
				twenty years? By the old it is permitted forever.
 
 I shall be told, that however dangerous this mixture of powers 
				may be in theory, it is rendered harmless by the dependence of 
				Congress on the State for the means of carrying them into 
				practice; that however large the mass of powers may be, it is in 
				fact a lifeless mass. Then, say I, in the first place, that the 
				Confederation is chargeable with the still greater folly of 
				declaring certain powers in the federal government to be 
				absolutely necessary, and at the same time rendering them 
				absolutely nugatory; and, in the next place, that if the Union 
				is to continue, and no better government be substituted, 
				effective powers must either be granted to, or assumed by, the 
				existing Congress; in either of which events, the contrast just 
				stated will hold good. But this is not all. Out of this lifeless 
				mass has already grown an excrescent power, which tends to 
				realize all the dangers that can be apprehended from a defective 
				construction of the supreme government of the Union. It is now 
				no longer a point of speculation and hope, that the Western 
				territory is a mine of vast wealth to the United States; and 
				although it is not of such a nature as to extricate them from 
				their present distresses, or for some time to come, to yield any 
				regular supplies for the public expenses, yet must it hereafter 
				be able, under proper management, both to effect a gradual 
				discharge of the domestic debt, and to furnish, for a certain 
				period, liberal tributes to the federal treasury. A very large 
				proportion of this fund has been already surrendered by 
				individual States; and it may with reason be expected that the 
				remaining States will not persist in withholding similar proofs 
				of their equity and generosity. We may calculate, therefore, 
				that a rich and fertile country, of an area equal to the 
				inhabited extent of the United States, will soon become a 
				national stock. Congress have assumed the administration of this 
				stock. They have begun to render it productive. Congress have 
				undertaken to do more: they have proceeded to form new States, 
				to erect temporary governments, to appoint officers for them, 
				and to prescribe the conditions on which such States shall be 
				admitted into the Confederacy. All this has been done; and done 
				without the least color of constitutional authority. Yet no 
				blame has been whispered; no alarm has been sounded. A GREAT and 
				INDEPENDENT fund of revenue is passing into the hands of a 
				SINGLE BODY of men, who can RAISE TROOPS to an INDEFINITE 
				NUMBER, and appropriate money to their support for an INDEFINITE 
				PERIOD OF TIME. And yet there are men, who have not only been 
				silent spectators of this prospect, but who are advocates for 
				the system which exhibits it; and, at the same time, urge 
				against the new system the objections which we have heard. Would 
				they not act with more consistency, in urging the establishment 
				of the latter, as no less necessary to guard the Union against 
				the future powers and resources of a body constructed like the 
				existing Congress, than to save it from the dangers threatened 
				by the present impotency of that Assembly?
 
 I mean not, by any thing here said, to throw censure on the 
				measures which have been pursued by Congress. I am sensible they 
				could not have done otherwise. The public interest, the 
				necessity of the case, imposed upon them the task of overleaping 
				their constitutional limits. But is not the fact an alarming 
				proof of the danger resulting from a government which does not 
				possess regular powers commensurate to its objects? A 
				dissolution or usurpation is the dreadful dilemma to which it is 
				continually exposed.
 
 PUBLIUS.
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